Unscripted: "The Bible and Parenting (Ephesians 6:1-4)"

There’s a very good reason why God tells fathers not to stir up their children to anger, but instead instruct them in the way of the Lord. In our second episode of the Salty Believer Unscripted episode, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman look at Ephesians 6:1-4. This is a series where the guys are exploring what the Bible has to say about parenting. Listen to the episode here or use the player below.

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Unscripted: "The Bible and Parenting (Deuteronomy 6:4-9)"

Jared Jenkins has put together a new series for “Salty Believer Unscripted.” It’s a journey into what the Bible has to say about parenting. In this first episode, he and Bryan Catherman look at what is probably one of the top go-to sections of Scripture on parenting— Deuteronomy 6:4-9.

I addition, Jared refers to a specific sermon. Listen to St. Helen’s Bishopgate’s Parenting Day sermon here.

Listen to the first episode of our new series, “The Bible and Parenting” here or with the audio player below.

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LifeWay: More than a Bookstore (with Jonathan Howe)

Bryan met Jonathan Howe while on a trip to Nashville. After connecting, Bryan learned much more about the task and purpose of LifeWay. Howe is the Director of Strategic Initiatives and he directs multiple podcasts, websites, and other communication efforts of Dr. Rainer and other leaders within the Southern Baptist Convention. You can also read Howe’s work on Facts and Trends.

Howe, podcasts in a nice studio with high-tech gear and topnotch resources. So we were please that he agreed to be a part of our podcast, which is somewhat different than what Howe is used to working with. Although it’s possible we simply tricked him into it. We say this with a bit of tongue-and-cheek because Howe is quickly becoming a friend of ours and we find the contrast between the two podcasts amusing. Howe was a good sport and a great guest.

Listen to our interview with Jonathan Howe here:

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Congratulations Brett Ricley!

Brett Ricley, one of the Salty Believer Unscripted co-hosts, is leaving Salt Lake on his way to a new ministry position in Iowa. I’m very sad to see him go but happy for the next chapter ahead of him. Please join me in congratulating him as we send him off. Of course, thanks to technology he doesn’t have to be too far from SaltyBeliever.com and once he gets settled into the new job, we might see him back on the podcast.

In the meantime, I thought it would be fun to go back to a podcast we recorded with J.D. Payne. Brett Ricley and Benjamin Pierce were new on the Redeeming Life Church team and both were interns on the podcast (although we never called Brett an intern). This specific podcast was especially fun because of how excited both Brett and Benjamin were about being a part of the podcast with J.D. Payne. It was before we had better on-line gear so Payne’s audio quality over the phone is fairly bad. But it’s still a fun podcast and it highlights the early beginnings of Brett on Salty Believer Unscripted.

Listen to our podcast on church planting with J.D. here or with the player below. It first posted February 15, 2015.

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Unscripted: Read Your Bible (Part 2)

Do you read your Bible daily? Most people don’t. But Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins offer some tips and tools to make it easier to get into a habit of daily Bible reading. This is the second part in a two-part series.

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Journey Through John -- It's Just Two Minutes Per Day

I'm a pastor. I meet with a lot of people. I talk about the Bible a lot. I read the Bible, a lot. It's the chief tool of my ministry. Yet many of the people I sit with tell me they hardly ever open the Bible. Then they go on to tell me all their problems. These problems are such that living submitted to God's Word would probably resolve them. So I suggest something from God's Word for them to read and meditate on and pray about. But they tell me they don't have time to read God's Word. And they especially can't read God's Word every day.

Of course, we can make time to read God's Word and spend time with the Lord if it's important to us. It only takes a few seconds to read a single verse of the Bible. And we certainly can find two minutes somewhere in our day to think about that verse. More reading and meditating would be even better, but two minutes and one verse seems like a starting place for those doing nothing.

I was frustrated and looking for a way to help busy people read or hear at least one verse per day and think about it for two minutes. How could I get the Word of God in front of people for two minutes? Then I noticed how much time people stare at their phones and how some of that time was consuming videos. I'm sure there are two minutes in there somewhere for God's Word.

Thus, Journey Through John was born.

Journey Through John is my attempt to give people one verse from the book of John per day and two minutes of discussion on that verse. It's on YouTube, so when I'm done, the entire book of John and over 30 hours of devotional commentary will be available on the popular video-delivery site.

It seems reasonable. If we just watched one less cat video, we could make time for the Word of God.

A person can also subscribe to a daily email (Monday through Friday). Each morning when a subscriber wakes up, there's an email with the verse and a button to watch the video right there on his or her phone. A subscriber can start from the beginning of the book of John or join in where I'm at with the newest videos.

Subscribe Starting from the Beginning.

Subscribe Picking up Where It’s Presently At.

I'm not sure how I could make it any easier.

I've also put all the completed videos in a playlist on the Salty Believer YouTube channel so someone can it play and let it roll for a while. Or, if someone is looking for a specific verse or chapter, he or she can visit the website.

It took me about a chapter to get into my stride. I wasn't sure how much commentary or application should go into every two minutes. And you can't say much in two minutes, so what was it going to be? After about the first chapter, I got into a groove that I think should be helpful for anyone just trying to hear at least one verse and think about it for a couple of minutes.

So if you're doing nothing with God's Word, why not have a two-minute video emailed to you every day. I mean seriously, you can't find two minutes to hear from God's Word. You don't even have to read. Just listen as you sip on your coffee, trying to get the day moving.

For the Kingdom!
Bryan Catherman

Unscripted: Read Your Bible (Part 1)

Bryan Catherman brought a topic to Jared Jenkins that was truly unscripted. The just talked about the topic with the recorder running. The topic? Why so few read the Bible and what we might do to get in to God’s Word a little easier. This is a two-part series. The first part discusses the problem and the second part deals with some tips and tools to get into a regular habit of opening your Bible. This is the first episode.

Listen here.

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Why Church?

Questioning the relevance of church attendance is not new, but it seems like the volume is getting louder. Questions about the significance or value of attending worship services with a group of fellow believers are numerous, and often among the angry, hurt, confused, or rebellious. “Why church?” As pastors, Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins hear the question a lot.

So they decided to explore that question with the recorder of “Salty Believer Unscripted” rolling. What is the value of the local church? Why be a part? Why is the church God’s plan for the gospel to reach the world? They address these questions and many many in an 8-week podcast series called, “Why Church?”

Listen to the series by following the links below.

Why Church?
— Part 1: Introduction audio
— Part 2: Rhythms of Community audio
— Part 3: Meaningful Community audio
— Part 4: The Church and the Mission audio
— Part 5: Prayer and Worship Together audio
— Part 6: The Church and Social Justice audio
— Part 7: The Church and the Preached Word audio
— Part 8: Conclusion and Some Thoughts from Francis Chan audio

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Why Church? . . . and a Little from Francis Chan

For 8 episodes, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman discussed the question, “Why Church?” on Salty Believer Unscripted. In this episode, they share some concluding thoughts and deal with some excerpts in Francis Chan’s newest book, Letters to the Church.

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Unscripted: "The Church and the Preached Word"

The local church and preaching the Word of God are tied together. The Church has a duty to protect the Word and a duty to hear the Word, just as much—if not more—than the duty of the preacher’s part of preaching the Word. Why Church? In part it the answer includes the necessity of preaching, hearing, protecting, and propagating the Word of our Lord.

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins look at the connection between the local church and the preached Word of God.

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A Long Obedience in the Same Direction by Eugene Peterson

Photo: The Gospel Herald.

Peterson, Eugene H. A Long Obedience In The Same Direction: Discipleship in an Instant Society. Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2000. 

Many consider Eugene Peter’s , A Long Obedience in the Same Direction a classic. It’s a must read. Bryan Catherman offers a video review and recommendation:

Maybe your next bookclub choice? Maybe something personal to help you move through a dry or difficult season in your Christian journey?

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Happy 9th Birthday SaltyBeliever.com!

On January 1, 2010, SaltyBeliever.com was born. It became a public website and ministry to share Christian ideas, thoughts, resources, and other helpful things for believers on a journey with Christ.

I was in seminary, working on a Master’s Degree and had papers only read by a professor. I thought that maybe I could modify that work and make it available to others. Perhaps it could be helpful? I hoped that the website could help serve alongside my other ministries. There was only one way to find out.

I chose the name “Salty Believer” for a few reasons. First, I took a cue from Matthew 5:13. Jesus tells his disciples that they are the salt of the earth, but if salt were to lose its saltiness, it wouldn’t be good for anything. I think that's interesting on many levels. Second, I live in Salt Lake City and at the time didn't expect this website to reach beyond my friends and family. I wanted to play upon the name of my home and wasn't thinking beyond the small circles I was in. Finally, a decade ago the term "salty" was used a little differently. It was more of a reference for sailors who had been out to sea and experienced the sea life, opposed to new sailors, identified as "green." When I was in Iraq, we used these terms for soldiers, too. Today, the term, "salty" is used more to describe someone who is jaded, snarky, or holds resentment towards something. The irony is that in 2010 I was far more 'green' in ministry than I am today, and far more 'snarky-salty.' But the name stuck, and here we are.

The past 9 years of this website have seen many things. My ministry as a self-supported missionary working alongside Redeeming Life turned into a full-time position supported by the church. I graduated with an M.Div. In 2017 I earned a D.Min. I planted a church. Book projects and chapters were penned with my words. I made more friends and invited them into the activities of SaltyBeliever.com. I’ve preached hundreds of sermons. I wrote hundreds of blog posts. Guest authors wrote some, too. Our gang filmed videos, books were reviewed, classes offered, and we started a podcast. We've had some remarkable guests along the way. And we’ve had a lot of fun through it all.

It's been a great journey so far. I would never have thought so much might have happened with SaltyBeliever.com over these past nine years. I'm waiting expectantly to see what the next nine could bring. Thanks for joining me on this journey.

For the Kingdom!

Bryan Catherman
SaltyBeliever.com

Unscripted: "The Church and the Mission"

So many Christians are jettisoning the local church. Why? Regardless of the arguments presented, the conclusion they draw is that the Church, specifically the local church, does not have the value God says it has. Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman are seeking to explore the value of the local church in a Salty Believer Unscripted series called, “Why Church?”

In this episode, they look at God’s plan to use the Church (including the local church) to reach the world with the gospel. It’s God’s only plan. There is no other.

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The Cradle and the Cross

There are things on our Christmas tree that remind of us the nativity scene. We have a star on top, to remind us of the star the Magi followed to find the Christ. We have white lights to remind us that Jesus is the Light of the world. And as John 1 reminds us, that light was coming into the world and darkness cannot overcome it. We have gifts under the tree to remind us of the free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, for all who believe and call him Lord. Like our little ceramic figurines sitting in the miniature barn on the coffee table, these things are but simple reminders. I don’t feel too bad about their simplicity because it’s much like taking the Lord’s Supper. How can a small cracker and tiny cup even come close to remind us of the magnitude of our crucified and risen Lord? Yet is is helpful to have reminders.

We have something else on our tree. At times it has drawn comments and attention. “Isn’t that better for Easter?” I’ve heard. What is it? Well, we have a cross on our tree. More than one, actually.

I greatly appreciate that our decorations include the cross. The cross on a Christmas tree serves as a strong reminder that the baby Jesus entered humble humanity in terrible circumstances to do more than give us Christmas. He came to give us Easter. Christmas is the start of a celebration that culminates with an empty tomb. The baby was laid in a manger—the man was laid in a tomb. Both significant. Both meaningful. Neither are the end of the story. The tomb is empty and a baby born in humble beginnings is the King of all kings.

When I look to Christmas, I think more about an empty tomb than I do about ‘no room at the inn.’ I think about a King on the Throne. I think about my Savior and salvation, a rescue beyond what any sinner could accomplish.

The cross on our Christmas tree is another reminder of Christ and why we call him Savior. It seems only fitting to have such an ornament on our tree.

Merry Christmas!
Bryan Catherman

Unscripted: Why Church? Meaningful Community

On this week’s Salty Believer Unscripted episode, Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins look at meaningful community. They are exploring the question, why church? and meaningful community can’t be overlooked. There are many times that a church community even replaces biological family as the community of God’s people becomes more and more significant.

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Unscripted: Why Church? Rhythms of Community

When it comes to church attendance, any more people feel like they nailed it if they are present in church services twice per month. That’s really not good attendance. Others argue that regular attendance with a faith community at worship service isn’t an important part of the Christian life. We argue otherwise. Having regular rhythms of connection with a body of believers is a highly important and significant aspect of Christian maturity.

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Unscripted: Why Church? An Introduction

Hebrews 25:10 instructs believers not to neglect gathering with the body of Christ, specifically in a local church gathering.  In this series, we are setting out to discuss the value of the local church gathering, why it's important to gather with it, and why it might be God's plan for the advancement of the gospel in the world (Ephesians 3:7-10). Many people offer arguments about why the local church is no longer necessary, but most of the excuses are unbiblical and flimsy.

In this series, we’re looking at why Christians should be committed to a local church body and gather with other Christians for corporate worship.

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The Saints of Zion by Travis Kerns

Kerns, Travis. The Saints of Zion: An Introduction to Mormon Theology. Nashville, Tenn: B&H Academic, 2018.

Dr. Travis Kerns has studied Mormon theology for more than half his life. And by ‘study,’ I mean he earned a Masters and Ph.D. focused on the topic and taught undergrads, master students, and doctoral students at Boyce College and Southern Seminary. I've personally observed his study beyond the academy. Kerns, my friend, moved to Utah, the heart of Mormonism. He's made friends with Mormons, to include professors at BYU and public relations folks within the LDS religion (Latter-Day Saints). I've toured the Riverton Temple with him and some LDS leadership prior to the temple's rededication. And Kerns keeps up with the news and events of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He's not so much an apologist, standing on the streets arguing as he is an academic expert. When it comes to Mormon theology, I suspect he has a more robust knowledge of the topic than the greater majority of Mormons.

In his book, The Saints of Zion: An Introduction to Mormon Theology, Kerns set out to provide a fair look at the theology of Mormons through the lens of Mormon source material. However, while many apologetic authors will quote one or two obscure sources, Kerns loaded his book with large block quotes from a wide range of commonly accepted Mormon sources spanning from the religion's early beginnings right up to a handful of months ago. His approach is far more academic than apologetic which explains his statement: "[I]n accessing official Church doctrine, the works attributed as officially binding and declarative, as the Church, its leaders, and scholars defend them, will be used" (22). While recording a podcast with Kerns, he told me that it's his hope that while LDS members might not agree with his conclusions, they will say the treatment of the theology is fair and the information is correct.

Published by an academic publisher (B&H Academic), it's important to remember that this is indeed an academic book. It could serve as a textbook for an undergraduate or master's comparative religion course. Therefore, the book looks a little different than the popular-level reading Mormonism 101-type books. The Saints of Zion is not one of those books. If you have no knowledge of Mormonism what-so-ever, this is the book you read after one of those books Mormon basics book, or you read Chapter 5 first and then come back to the beginning of the work. This is a book specifically about Mormon theology, not just the basics of the Mormon religion. The Saints of Zion gets much deeper below the surface level discussion, getting at the root of belief, practice, and doctrine. Above all, this book is not about reading what Kerns thinks and knows--it's a book full of large amounts of Mormon source material intelligently curated by an expert.

While the first chapter is called an introduction, it's not the introduction a reader might expect. Instead of the 30,000-foot overview, it's a compelling argument why non-Mormons should seek to understand what informs Mormon belief and practice. Chapters 2-4 are theological discussions on God, sacred writings and how those are to be understood, and salvation. As is abundantly clear in the pages, these are the larger matters that need to be addressed before anything about the minutia of the religion can be understood. Chapter 5 is a helpful and extensive discussion of the history of the Mormon Church and how it is organized. And finally, Kerns addresses the question, "Are Mormons Christians?". This is the most apologetic chapter of the book, yet is still remains academic in nature and relies heavily upon simply presenting the Mormon source materials.

What might be the most impressive aspect of The Saints of Zion is the 26 pages of single-spaced works cited. It's an overwhelmingly large bibliography of publications, mostly from Mormon sources. Based on counting a couple pages, I estimate there are over 625 cited sources used in the 236 pages of the book. Almost every page of the book includes a block quote to be sure the context is properly conveyed.

The book is well written and the structure of thought flows great. The material is presented in what appears honest and fair, allowing the reader to draw conclusions from the source material.

Kern's book is not free from challenges, however. At times, I found myself hoping for more of a summary or explanation statement for clarity. I appreciate that he allows the reader to draw conclusions from the source materials, but at times I felt buried in so much source material and overwhelmed by what the material demonstrated about Mormon theology. I could have benefited from a few more signposts that I was concluding the same things the expert had concluded. At other times, the material revealed so much about why the Mormons I know might think and act as they do that I'd want to camp out in that thought for a moment, but Kerns just kept marching forward without a rest to catch my breath or collect my thoughts. It's a lot of material to cover. Now, I could have paused, slowed down, and reread, so this is not all on Kerns.

Also, I think I understand why the book is structured as it is, but I believe Chapter 5 might have been helpful as Chapter 1, or a true overview introduction could have been offered. The introduction could have been a basic section on the organization of the Mormon church with a statement that the section could be skipped if the reader didn't need it. I have many friends and family who are Mormon and I live in Salt Lake City, but at times I had to pause and remember the organizational structure to make better sense of some of the quotes. A refresher would have been helpful before getting to Chapter 5. For one with limited knowledge of Mormonism, an introduction like this could be helpful. (If you think you might need this kind of overview, I recommend reading Chapter 5 first.)

That being said, these challenges are minor. I found The Saints of Zion extremely informative and I learned a lot (and I've read many books on the topic!). I will return to this book often and I will regularly recommend it to those interested in Mormonism, history, or even how a large number of people in the world think. Travis Kerns did an outstanding job with this one. (He and I both know I'm not just saying this because we're friends. He wouldn't respect my review if I did that.)

I highly recommend The Saints of Zion: An Introduction to Mormon Theology by Dr. Travis Kerns.

Note: I did not receive any benefit for reviewing this book; however, using the link to purchase the book from Amazon.com does help financially support the maintenance and hosting of this website.

Also: Travis Kerns is donating any personal proceeds from this book to the North American Mission Board’s Annie Armstrong Offering to help further the work of church-planting in unreached and under-reached places in North America, like Utah.

Journey Through John, 2-Minutes per Day

Nearly 6-months ago, I started posting 2-minute videos on YouTube, each discussing a single verse in the book of John. People could (and still can) subscribe to receive an email—Monday through Friday—that contains the written verse and a link to the video. At this point, subscribers have watched over 3 hours and twenty minutes of discussion, 2-minutes at a time. We're nearing Chapter 4.

I realize that people may not want to start where we're presently at, so now you can subscribe to an email list that starts at the beginning.

Subscribe to Journey Through John (From the Beginning) here.

By the time we've walked through the 879 verses in John, there will be nearly 30 hours of discussion, 2-minutes per day, one verse at a time.

Two-minutes each day is not much. It’s not difficult. One verse to read to you and a couple of things to think about or meditate on each day, all from the simplicity of a video. It only takes two minutes each day (Monday through Friday). What a good way to start the day. This is an easy way to be in the word daily, and the email makes it even easier.

At the same time, while two minutes isn’t much, 30 hours of commentary offered for you to consider little by little each day is a big accomplishment. The emails help keep you on track and you’ll be in God’s word every weekday.

If you've previously signed up for Journey Through John (Newest Videos) but you've fallen behind, I recommend subscribing to this subscription and sign up for Journey Through John (From the Beginning).

It's not difficult to waste minutes here and there. But it's also not difficult to use two minutes in a disciplined way that will drive you into the Word of God and grow you.

Here's a sample video. It's John 3:17.

Here's another sample.  There are some occasional summaries or explanation videos, but not many.  In this video, I show how the first 18 verses of John are a prologue and each of those verses correspond to the entire rest of the book of John.

Reserve Space for God

Is there step in your Christian walk where you really feel you're falling short but want to do something? You know you’re not being faithful but you want to grow. Maybe you're struggling to read your Bible daily. Or maybe you don't see how you can give a regular offering to God in support of his mission at your local church or other ministries, or both. Fasting? Or maybe you're struggling to gather with your local congregation.

Spiritual formation is often about forming habits and the formation of a habit takes strategic effort. Reserving a space for the thing you're lacking but want to do is a great start for growth.

When I was first starting a church plant, we set a budget that had line items for sending another church planter, foreign mission work, and even a building fund. This was a time when our weekly offering was a few bucks and some loose change. We were fundraising and had no money (and, really, we still don't) so why would we set these items in the budget? Because we reserved a space for them to grow in the future. It was about being faithful. These line items had extremely small percentages of our undesignated collected offering. It was almost comical how much we saved in each line item, but we were honoring God by making an effort, even if it was all we could do. Each year we try to up these percentages. It's not easy, but it's faithful and they serve as a placeholder for growth. It’s something, and that’s more than doing nothing.

How does this illustration translate into your life?

Are you are struggling to read your Bible every day? Set yourself to read one verse per day. Maybe it seems silly, but it will reserve a space for you and God and you'll be in your Bible daily. That’s something! As you grow, you can up it to two or three verses. If you keep this up, eventually you'll grow into entire chapters, then more and more chapters. Additionally, you'll begin to grow in this spiritual discipline and enjoy it.

Is the offering plate passing by you unchanged. If you're presently not giving to the mission of God at your local church through financial offerings and gifts, you should. It's an act of worship. "But I can't afford it," you might say. Try this. Every pay period, give $1. Not just $1 cash in the plate, but take the time to write a check or give online (or through text giving). Make it an intentional act every pay period. Be mindful of God and the spiritual discipline to give. And maybe as you start this, you'll give up one of those coffee drinks so you can up your giving to $5. See what happens when you act in obedience and faith. Doing something, even if it’s $1, reserves space for God to work in your life, and it's much better than making excuses to the Lord.

Do you fast? If not, start by setting a fast for a single meal per month. Skip a meal and pray every time you feel hungry. It might not seem like much, but it’s more fasting than you aren’t doing now. It’s a start and it reserves a space for God to grow you.

Having a hard time making church attendance a priority? Many people struggle to go to church regularly. "I'm tired" or "I'm too busy" they say. The problem is not Sunday morning, it's Saturday night. Reserve space for this spiritual discipline by setting an evening bedtime on Saturday. If it’s not the evening, maybe it’s the chores in the day. Trying getting off the couch even for just a little bit on Saturday. It's really not that difficult. And by reserving space and time, you'll find it's not too difficult to attend a worship service with fellow believers. As you do this over time, making worship with your faith-family a priority, you’ll be surprised how much God grows you through it.

Spiritual formation starts with a little discipline. And discipline starts by reserving a space for God to work, even if only a tiny bit. Create a space holder until you've grown more. Be intentional about a strict effort that will lead to your spiritual growth and faithfulness. Watch what God might do if you reserve the space.