Fear Not! "Doctrine, Decisions, and COVID-19" (with Dr. Bobby Jamieson)

Should churches still try to meet or should they adhere to governmental guidance, directives, and mandates? Should we call our on-line streaming services a gathering of the church or is it something else? What about the Lord’s Supper; should we do that over Zoom? Bobby Jamieson joined Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman to discuss how doctrine should shape a church’s decisions always, to include during the coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic. Jamieson is the author of a few books, to include "Sound Doctrine: How a Church Grow’s in the Love and Holiness of God and Understanding the Lord’s Supper. He’s also an associate pastor at Capital Hill Baptist Church in Washington D.C. Listen to this episode in our Fear Not! series, “Doctrine, Decisions, and COVID-19” (with Bobby Jamieson):

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Building Healthy Churches: Sound Doctrine (with Dr. Bobby Jamieson)

Dr. Bobby Jamieson, author of Sound Doctrine: How a Church Grows in the Love and Holiness of God, spent some time talking with Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins about his book, among many other things. In addition, Jamieson is an associate pastor at Capital Hill Baptist Church and writes for both 9Marks and The Gospel Coalition.

This podcast is part of an ongoing monthly series through the 12 books of the 9Marks Building Healthy Churches series. Listen to this episode, “Sound Doctrine” here:

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Fear Not! "Lessons from History" (with Dr. Robert Caldwell)

Dr. Robert Caldwell (Professor of Church History at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary) joined us on Salty Believer Unscripted to discuss lessons from Church history that might help inform us about today’s coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic. Did you of Cyprian’s plague? It’s possible that up to 5,000 people were dying per day in a period around A.D. 250. Dr. Caldwell discussed how the Christians ran toward the problem to help and be a blessing rather than run away. We also discussed the possibility of a revival or awakening because of heightened thoughts toward spiritual things. Could we be headed toward a revival in the U.S? He deals with that question too. Listen to this episode, “Lessons from History” here:

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Fear Not! "Receiving the Streamed Sermon Well" (with Dr. Jason Allen)

As Pastors are scrambling to figure out how to preach streamed video sermons, are members of the local church thinking about how to receive streamed sermons as well as they could? That’s the the topic of conversation between Jared Jenkins, Bryan Catherman, and our guest, Dr. Jason Allen. How do we turn our living room and a recliners into an opportunity to rightly sit under the teaching and preaching of the Word of God? Should this season change our thinking on the church, preaching, or technology? What might Dr. Allen have change in his recent book on preaching, Letters to My Students? (And Bryan asked why is says “Volume 1” on the cover.) They covered these questions and many others.

Dr. Allen is the President of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, author of multiple books, and host of the “Preaching and Preachers.”

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Fear Not! "We Need to Talk About Death"

We need to talk about the elephant in the Zoom meeting. Death. Everyone will die, at some point. Death is a real part of life and the Bible talks about it a great deal. Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman get raw and honest to talk about death and what the Bible has to say about it. It’s something that has been sterilized from our lives, but it’s on our minds today. It’s not helpful to burry those thoughts and ignore them. We need to be able to talk about death in healthy ways under the guidance and teaching of the Bible. That’s the topic of today’s podcast, “We need to Talk About Death.” Listen to this episode here:

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"You Are What You Do" by Daniel Im

You Are What You Do: and Six Other Lies About Work, Life, & Love by Daniel Im (B&H, 2020) might die an unfortunate death simply because of its release date. It's a book about gig economy and all the lies we but into from work. Thanks to a global pandemic, more people are out of work than any living person has ever experienced, and the gig economy has imploded. We're all quarantined at home. Musicians, Uber drivers, and hundreds of other side jobs have been sidelined. 

But for a moment, let's imagine there is no coronavirus.  

Daniel Im filled his book full of examples that do an excellent job expressing the lies we believe. There's no doubt Im has identified and explained the problem (well, the pre-pandemic problem anyway). However, he did such a good job expressing the problem, his effort to point to the solution came up lacking. Each chapter includes some discussion about the answer, as does the final chapter. Yet, we all know and feel the problem. Instead, Im could have spent half the pages on the issue and tapped into what we already know. Then, with the remaining available pages, he could have given us more of what we're missing--the answer.  

Don't get me wrong, Im expressed and identified the lies with laser precision. It's impossible to miss them after reading his book. But there's a bigger problem. We're in a pandemic, and the economy has the potential to look very different very soon. Most of his examples are irrelevant now. Much of the nation is sitting in their homes, with their family, learning all the things Im suggested, only they are in the school of a new reality.  

I read the book just as the first cases were cropping up in the US. It made sense. It was spot on. But as I'm finally getting around to write a review, I can't think about how disconnected the book may now be. That's unfortunate on many levels. But who could have predicted such a thing?  

Here’s a brief video. In it, Daniel Im discusses the book.

Unscripted: "On the Grocery Store Frontline"

The frontline of the coronavirus/COVID-19 pandemic is found at hospitals and grocery stores. Who would have thought that the local grocer would be serving in such a vital role during a global pandemic? What’s going on at the grocery store right now? What’s it like serving others while everyone else is staying home and staying safe? What ministry opportunities are open to Christians serving in this industry during this challenging time?

Jeremiah 29:7 instructs God’s people to serve and bless the community because God’s people benefit and are blessed when they are concerned about the wellbeing of their city. Acts 17:26-29 teaches us that we live and work where we do, when we do for God’s glory. Maybe the Christian grocer and Christian nurse are doing more in the pandemic than the Christian preacher?

Bryan Catherman linked up with Josiah Walker, the Store Director of a locally-owned grocery store called Lee’s Marketplace. He opened a new store only a couple months before the pandemic hit Utah. Then there was an earthquake. Listen to this episode, “On the Grocery Store Frontline” here:

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Unscripted: "Video Stream Preaching" (with Dr. David Allen)

What do preachers need to know as we’re all trying to figure out how to preach to an empty room and a video stream? What should the congregation think about the sermon over video delivery during the coronavirus pandemic? What should change? What should remain the same? How can we do this better? Do we need to improve, and if so, why?

Dr. David Allen, the dean of School of Preaching, author, and preacher joined Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins on Salty Believer Unscripted to talk about preaching and the video stream. This has became a two-part podcast because after we discussed ways to think about streaming and preaching, the guys asked what we should think about preaching a year from now in light of this trying season. Listen to the first episode, “Video Stream Preaching,” here:

In the second part of this discussion, Dr. Allen discussed the lessons we must learn from this season. What will preaching look like one year from now? What should it look like? Are there things we might need to change or add to preaching classes in the seminaries? The answers have a lot to do with how we think about preaching. Listen to the second part, “Preaching Lessons We Need 1 Year From Now,” here:

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Unscripted: "Is This the End of the World?" (With Dr. Malcolm Yarnell)

People are talking about the end of the world. On top of COVID-19/coronavirus, Salt Lake City was shaken by a 5.7 earthquake followed by more than 100 after shocks. Store shelves are empty. “Zombie apocalypse” is a phrase that comes up in conversation a little more. As our thinking moves toward end-times topics, how should we talk about eschatology (the study of end-times) with others? Suddenly, the book of Revelation is getting more attention. How should we approach this book?

Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins sat down with Dr. Malcolm Yarnell to talk about how it all fits together within a Christian worldview. Dr. Yarnell is a Research Professor of Systematic Theology at Southerwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and the teaching pastor at Lakeside Baptist Church in Granbury, Texas. Listen to this episode, “Is This the End of the World?“ here:

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Unscripted: "Theological Reflection"

Dr. Jim Wilson (Gateway Seminary) joined Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman to talk about the importance of taking a pause and doing theological reflection during times of difficult decisions. The Theological Reflection Loop is a tool that requires a pause, then targeted questions in the right order. What’s right? In other words, what does the Bible say? Then it’s necessary to explore theory, other fields of study, and best practices. Finally, one should look at the emotion and relational factors.

Dr. Wilson—author of the book  A Guide to Theological Reflection: A Fresh Approach for Practical Ministry Courses and Theological Field Education —shared this tools with us on Salty Believer Unscripted. The guys looked at the tool itself and then applied to to very real possibilities ministry leaders are facing during this season of coronavirus. In addition, we discussed what’s happening with the Doctor of Ministry program at Gateway Seminary. Dr. Wilson is the director of the program.

Listen to this episode of our series, “Fear Not!” below. It’s called “Theological Reflection.

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Unscripted: "Lead Us Not Into Temptation"

Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins discuss the reality of increased the temptation to sin during this season of shelter-in-place. The pornography industry is already reporting a serious spike in web traffic. There’s greater opportunity for increased incidents of domestic violence, especially with nobody connecting or checking up with each other. And it doesn’t have to be so extreme. Snapping at our children, eating too much, shirking our work-from-home responsibilities, drug use, growing lazy, neglecting the Lord, or any number of other sinful behaviors are likely on the rise. How do we continue to abide in Christ? What does it look like to pray the prayer, “lead us not Into temptation” during the coronavirus? This is the topic of today’s Salty Believer Unscripted podcast. Listen to “Lead Us Not Into Temptation” here:

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Unscripted: "Answers to Your Tough Questions"

Our listeners have great questions and lots of them. Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman take a stab at answering 7 or 8 of your questions and they discuss what the pastor’s day looks like these days. What should the Church keep and what should be dropped when this is all over? Do we really need church buildings in the future? Should we do more streaming and on-line ministry in the future? Why don’t denominations just put out one sermon stream rather than having all these individual churches doing sermons online? When does the Church need to take a stand against government mandates and when do we submit? What should we be looking for as we watch for the return of Christ?

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Unscripted: "Where is God When Bad Things Happen?"

Dr. Travis Kerns from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary was our guest on Salty Believer Unscripted. Today Bryan, Jared, and Travis discussed the question, “Where is God when bad things happen?” with the coronavirus and an earthquake specifically in view. What are we to think about God with everything that’s going on? They also discussed what might be behind the motivation for all the stockpiling and preparation purchases at the grocery stores. Listen today’s podcast, “Where is God When Bad Things Happen?” here:

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Unscripted: "Less Fear More Love"

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Jared Jenkins and Bryan Catherman discuss the Utah earthquake on top of an already challenging environment.  Coronavirus has got the world in a state of fear.  An earthquake doesn't help.  How should Christians respond?  Where should we find hope and comfort?  What should we think about the missing trumpet on the Maroni statute on the LSD Temple? Is making jokes about all this helpful?  How can we love others as Christ has called us to love?  So many questions. Maybe you might find this conversation helpful. Listen to this episode of our Fear Not! series, “Less Fear More Love” here:

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Unscripted: Coronavirus and Acts 2:42-47

Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins sat down to record a timely podcast (if there is such a thing in light of all the changes happening right now). They are looking at what believers might think about coronavirus/COVID-19 and how Acts 2:42-47 should inform us. We want to encourage you to take some time and listen in to this conversation. (And also, now you can see our “hi-tech” studio and gear!) Listen to the podcast, “Coronavirus and Acts 2 Today” here:

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The Spector of Fear Doesn't Have to be Scary

For years I have taken tremendous comfort in James 1:2-4. Those verses read, "Consider it a great joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you experience various trials, because you know that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its full effect, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking nothing."

I've experienced trials in life. Perhaps you have too. In most of the tests I have endured, it always seems that there was help out there, coming. Even when we have regional emergencies like tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, or forest fires, other people from safe places come running to help. Funds come pouring in to rebuild. When I was in Iraq during the first year of the war, there were rolling blackouts, no gasoline, and limited food, but there was hope. Resources were pouring in from outside. Refugees run toward hope, no matter how hard things get.   

Some in our communities haven't yet experienced fearful unknowns as an adult. There have been scares before. The aftermath of 9-11. Y2K. The Cold-war. The civil unrest of the '60s and the Vietnam War draft. Just think about the four years men and women were rationing and growing victory gardens while sending off their family members to die during WWII. They were afraid of the real threat of Nazi and Japanese domination.  

Now think about some of these same things for the people who were a little closer. Ever read the Diary of Ann Frank? Have you ever stopped to think that people lived through and rebuilt Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Imagine trying to raise a family in Vietnam in the late '60s. Remember how Communist-Russia had food shortages and sickness? I often think about how hard it must have been for the average Iraqi I encountered. And the victims of ISIS, let's not even get started with that one.  

Right now, it feels like we are in a crushing trial. It seems scary. We're worried about all our idols. But this is not the first time God's people have seen trials. Church history is full of trials, at levels much worse than this. The Bible is loaded with examples. But the Bible is also full of God's promises, instruction, and encouragement. James 1:2-4 is but one example.  

Brothers and sisters, I know this is scary. I know it looks like things could get worse. I know that's hard to hear; I don't even like typing those words. But there is one from a safe place here to help. Jesus has this, and He has you, even as the idols are crumbling and true believers tested. 

How? 

Take a good look at the things you think and believe right now. What's true? What's speculation? What's a lie? Are you filling your head and heart with lies? Are you speaking those lies to yourself? That's darkness. Jesus is Light that's come into the world, and the darkness must flee. What is His Truth? What does His Word speak about the lies in your head and heart? Are you filling your soul with His Words? Are you spending as much time hearing God's Truth from His Bible as you spend scanning social media and the news? Are you resting in God's Truth? If not, might now be the best time to start?  

Here's a practical tool to help you speak the Truth of God to yourself. Likely it's time for a refresher. And I suspect you have a little extra time. Why not watch the video and see if you might find hope, comfort, and courage in Jesus Christ. 

For the Kingdom!
Bryan Catherman

There's Got to Be a Better Church Planting Conference Out There

In May of 2020, the church I planted will celebrate her 5th birthday (if that's an appropriate way to say that). Most church planters, if they are like me, have been to more than a few conferences focused on church planting. Much like many of the books written on the same topic coming to the end of a church-planting conference is often disappointing, maybe even discouraging. Why?  

It's great to fellowship with other planters. Swag is usually good. Networking is fruitful. So what's the problem? I think it's because most church planting conferences and church planting books focus on best practices. If you've been to a church planting conference, you know what I mean. 

It starts with the speakers. No conference is going to find some guy who planted a church that took two years to grow to 60 and then went along like that for 15 years. No. What the conference wants (as do the planters if they are honest) is a big-name planter who was surprisingly blessed to plant one church that ended up tremendously well attended, really fast, and stayed huge with ease. It doesn’t hurt if were branded well and the lead pastor is cool. The same is true for the breakout session speakers. Then the conference assigns these speakers topics that hinge not only on best church planting practices of the past, but subjects in which the speakers have excelled beyond what most planters can ever experience.  

After hearing all these best practices, the planters leave feeling inadequate to do the work the Lord called them to do. I've left a few conferences feeling like any story I could tell would be the "What Not to Do" breakout and the "How to be a Mediocre Church Planter" book.  

But what if there was a different way?  What if there was a different conference?

I would be interested in the church planter conference that didn't require every speaker to be a successful, popular church planter. One where experts in actual tools for ministry could share the tool, and then the planter (who should be more than capable of thinking and processing) could apply the tool and the training as needed, if at all.   

I'm thinking about breakouts that offer instructions for sermon preparation with limited time. Maybe biblical counseling tools. Church administration help. How about a lawyer to discuss the changing issues brought by cultural shifts? What about discipleship tools that create more than future church planters, but instead faithful saints who love Jesus and bring Him glory? Could the main sessions be more like T4G sessions that bring instruction from God's Word rather than best practice success stories that, even if repeated perfectly, won't likely produce the same results? After five years, that's the conference this church planter is looking for.  

Allow me to provide an example. Imagine if Dr. Wilson were a breakout speaker on the topic of theological reflection. (Most young church planters probably don't know who Dr. Wilson is unless they did seminary work at Gateway Seminary, but that doesn't matter.) Dr. Wilson has recently written a book called A Guide to Theological Reflection: A Fresh Approach for Practical Ministry Courses and Theological Field Education  (Grand Rapids, Mich: Zondervan Academic, 2020). He has taught doctoral candidates theological reflection for years. I've sat under his instruction and found it extremely helpful, especially in church planting. 

Watch the following sample video of Dr. Wilson discussing what theological reflection is and how it's a helpful ministry tool. (He is a dynamic speaker and teacher in the classroom environment, so please overlook that lack of back-and-forth engagement because it's a video format rather than a breakout.) While you watch this video, notice that it doesn't require his story. It requires his expertise. And he appeals to Scripture before he appeals to practice. That's what church-planters need! (Also, you may notice that I selected an example that just so happens to pit best practices against theological reflection. Yes. That was intentional. You’re welcome.)  

Maybe I'm alone in this. Perhaps I'm the only church planter who is growing tired of the nearly-impossible best practices church planting conferences. Could I be the single church planter who has left a church planting conference feeling inadequate? I don't think so.  

Therefore, I'm on the lookout for something different. If you know about a conference like I'm suggesting, please let me know.  There’s got to be a better church planting conference out there, right?

It's the Darkness that Changes, Not the Gospel

The gospel is seen brightest against the darkest backdrop.   

Nothing has taught me the truth of this more than church-planting in Rose Park (a neighborhood in Salt Lake City). We can find brokenness everywhere, but pastoring Redeeming Life in a broken community has put it front-and-center in my ministry. Suicides and suicide interventions, loss of family members and babies, illness, cancer, arrests, depression, and all sorts of things are just part of the ministry of a pastor. Sin still abounds, even in the church. Sexual immorality, greed, lack of forgiveness, anger, gossip, backbiting, and so-on. We have that, too.  

But recent events have reminded me that the brightness of the gospel doesn't change. Instead, we find the change in the depravity of the backdrop. The gospel is consistent, always.   

The other thing that these events have reminded me is that no matter how bright the gospel and how dark the backdrop, blind eyes still see nothing. God must open eyes if anyone is ever to see the gospel. Our job is to shine the gospel brightly--lifting it high, not putting it under the bed, or keeping it covered by a basket. Yet, as a Christian, I see the backdrop and the bright-shining-gospel.  

Not long ago, my friend shot his ex-wife and her fiance. The fiance is dead, the ex-wife is recovering from multiple gunshot wounds and emotional trauma, and my friend is gone too. Five children, parents, siblings, other family, friends, neighbors, and co-workers will forever remember February 7th and weep. It's a dark backdrop.  

Since the day we moved into the neighborhood, I've been praying for my neighbors and their three children. We've broke bread together. Their kids and our kids play together. They've attended church with us a few times, and we've driven their girls to our student ministry. We read the Bible together, and I've discussed the beautiful good news of Jesus Christ. As I do with everyone I pastor, I've called them to repentance and encouraged them to turn to Christ. I believe we've shined the gospel into their dark world.  

Blindness? Maybe. It isn't very easy to see if the seeds of the gospel have germinated. Turning to worldly hope in an ever-darkening world may not bring them to any light. The light of the World is Jesus, and there is no other Light. Yet it seems they, like so many others, sought light elsewhere.  

I mourn my friend and neighbor. I weep for what will come of all the children involved. I'm sad. But my heart breaks even more for those of us who are not blind to the beautiful light of the gospel but still seem content with the dark backdrop. 

The closer we get to the gospel, the lighter and lighter the backdrop becomes. The gospel pushes out the darkness. It must flee! So why do those of us who can see the light neglect to move closer to it? We should be like moths. Instead, we seem okay with some of that darkness. But from experience, I can promise you: darkness only breeds more darkness.   

Instead, hear the gospel. See the gospel. Run to Jesus, grab on, and never let go. Hear the words and see the light of 1 John 1:5. "This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."

SBU: "Talk Amongst Yourselves (Luke 13:1-5 & Proverbs 1:1-7)

Join Bryan Catherman and Jared Jenkins as they discuss Luke 13:1-5 and Proverbs 1:1-7. The first Scriptures help us address the questions we have about when bad things happen. How do we make sense of the helicopter crash that killed Kobe Bryant and the others on board? What about the tower that fell and killed 18 people? How about other tragic events? Jared and Bryan take some time to talk about how Luke 13 speaks into disasters. Then they look at Proverbs 1:1-7. Is knowledge and wisdom a created thing? From where do these things come? God has an answer. Listen to this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted here:

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SBU: "Talk Amongst Yourselves" (Philippians 4:13, Jeremiah 29:11, and the Rapture)

In this episode of Salty Believer Unscripted, Josiah Walker and Bryan Catherman discuss Scripture verses they once understood differently than they do today. Context is king! They look at Philippians 4:13, Jeremiah 29:11, and Jesus’ discussion of the end times. Listen to this episode of our “Talk Amongst Yourselves” series here:

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